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TikTok (ByteDance US asset)

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TikTok's US operations, a short-form video platform owned by China-based ByteDance.tiktok.com

1 take · first discussed Jan 25, 2025

Where they land
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Who's weighed in
Chamath
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First discussed
Jan 25, 2025

Private company — no public price to score. We track what they said; valuation-mark tracking is on the roadmap.

The discussion

The hosts' collective view on TikTok as a US acquisition target is bearish, with Chamath as the sole contributor here holding medium conviction against a high private-market valuation. Chamath's core argument is that the US government's unique leverage — the legal power to ban the app entirely — structurally suppresses what any buyer would rationally pay, driving the price far below the ~$100B figure others have floated. In his view, when a single authority can render an asset worthless with a permit decision, and is also seeking a 50% ownership stake, the buyer's negotiating position collapses and intrinsic value becomes nearly meaningless in practice. No other host thesis was provided, so agreement or disagreement across the group cannot be assessed from the available material.

How they got there

ChamathChamath1 mention since Jan 25, 2025
BearishE212Jan 25, 2025

Chamath argues the US government's leverage — the ability to shut TikTok down entirely — means any buyer will pay far below intrinsic value, potentially approaching $1, making the asset worth far less than Thomas's ~$100B estimate for any private acquirer.

The president was very clear that it is completely and entirely worthless without his permit, and he wants to own 50% of this asset... you're not going to pay $100 billion if you control whether it can exist or not. You're basically going47:05
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